Playing Dice with the Universe

Red Orc is still working on ideas for changing his Ultramarines into Space Wolves. We are relaunching the Ultras as the Uppsala Legion, from the planet Schveeden!  While reading MVBrants Reliability vs. Min/Max I noticed that will little more than adding a Grey Hunter squad each time the tournament list scaled quite well from 1500 to 2000 points.  While it lacks Assault Marines it suits Red Orc's style of just being marines in APC's. Space Wolves @1500 points Njal Stormcaller - 245 5 x Wolf Guard w/ 4 Combi-Melta, 5 Fists - 210 5 x Wolf Scouts w/ Meltagun - 85 8 x Grey Hunters w/ Meltagun, Wolf Standard, Rhino - 170 8 x Grey Hunters w/ Meltagun, Wolf Standard, Rhino - 170 5 x Grey Hunters w/ Flamer, Plasmaback - 150 5 x Grey Hunters w/ Flamer, Plasmaback - 150 5 x Long Fangs w/ 4 Missiles - 115 5 x Long Fangs w/ 4 Missiles - 115 4 x Long Fangs w/ 3 Missiles - 90 13 Kill Points: 51 Marines, 4 Tanks Now if you are not keen on the Standards you can replace them for

I have not played my Space Marines since the Tyranid codex came out.  I had three lists I tended to use Bikers, Terminators and my " Wrath of Khan " list which was Grey Knights being lead by Kor'sarro Khan.  Now I can hardly make any claims to it being a competitive list it suffers all the problems of any single land raider build; however strength 7, Initiative 5 Marines tended to chop through a lot of competition and being a troops choice could score the objective they had taken.  The basis of my list was as follows 1500 Wrath of Khan 160 Kor'sarro Khan 275 Grey Knights x10 205 Tactical x10; Flamer,Missile, Rhino 190 Telion's Sniper Scouts x10 190 Sterngaurd x5; Rhino; 2 Lascannons 115 Dread w/ Plasma Cannon 115 Dread w/ Plasma Cannon 250 LRR w/ MM        26 Marines, 10 Scouts, 5 Vehicles - 10 Kill Points So with Codex: Grey Knights hitting the shelves I can no longer ally in my Grey Knights.  However I can build something similar with the new book